[Exploit] Pine bow

[Potawan]

I'm really enjoying this game. So far all seemed well balanced. The economy was particularly challenging me, that I love, but I just realized that I can easily make Pine bows, even with my level 0 in creating weapons I can make them. Just 4 pinewoods = 1 Pine Bow that I can sell for 200+. This is profitable even buying pinewoods directly...

The result is that now the money is too easy to get and the game loses interest.

I guess that demanding more materials would be solved this. But at least require 12 pinewood and iron or leather ... I do not know if the same happens with other items. I have only been a few days playing. Be careful witn the balance of the economy this can easily break the game.


Greetings and thanks for making this great game... and sorry for my english


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Anyway the problem is Pine Bow worth that not scale correctly.

Unbalance Bow -- worth 83 -- Carpentry lvl 1
Tense Bow -- worth 120 -- Carpentry lvl 1
Pine Bow -- worth 300 -- Carpentry lvl 2
Hunter' bow -- worth 220 -- Carpentry lvl 3

I propose 160 worth for Pine Bow.

[yariel]

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'nah, the economy at past seems more "broken" than this (the price of selling equal with item price) ...
this one is getting better tough ... (Selling price to merchant get cut)
There's early bow too (Tight Bow) which recipe being sold by Fox ...
need 6 Wood which a lot more common than Pine Wood ...
There also bread trick by Planting Wheat, Grind it, Mix with water and bake it ...
Bread can be sold too for a nice price (in large quantity too to boost)

But isn't it strange Pine can be used at 0 level ?
where did you get the recipe ? shouldn't you reach lv.3 first ?

[Potawan]

(03-16-2016 03:51 AM)yariel Wrote:  But isn't it strange Pine can be used at 0 level ?
where did you get the recipe ? shouldn't you reach lv.3 first ?

Well, I'm not sure, but I think it was when I get carpentry lvl 2, without recipe I think...

Edit:
Yep, Pine Bow can be ctrated with carpentry lvl 2 and you can buy the recipe to Fox.

[Matthew Cline]

Well, so far I haven't found much other ways of making money than selling bread and bows.

[yariel]

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because the other resource is limited (from mining) ...
only wood, field plantation and animal farm can be renewed ...
even hunting animal and enemies won't respawn ...
(I wonder why the ghost ex/"corpse" is still there shining, I wonder if it will respawn or have some usage latter)

(03-16-2016 05:01 AM)Potawan Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 03:51 AM)yariel Wrote:  But isn't it strange Pine can be used at 0 level ?
where did you get the recipe ? shouldn't you reach lv.3 first ?

Well, I'm not sure, but I think it was when I get carpentry lvl 2, without recipe I think...

Edit:
Yep, Pine Bow can be ctrated with carpentry lvl 2 and you can buy the recipe to Fox.

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another odd / unbalanced thing I guess ...
in Custom crafting, using Pine Wood need Lv.3 in Carpentry ...
(or maybe, because the recipe being buy / teach thus it's possible ?)

[Potawan]

(03-16-2016 09:45 AM)Matthew Cline Wrote:  Well, so far I haven't found much other ways of making money than selling bread and bows.

It's true, but just one of them is enough to break the game... Well, at least make bread is somewhat laborious, but with pine bows you only have to buy the wood at the store, and this is renewed over time.

Suggestions;
-Bows can be made only with perfect wood pines. (Too heavy? )
-In addition to rebalancing prices, increasing requirements in breadmaking :
2 Ripe Whead = 1 Flour
2 Flour = 1 Dough

[yariel]

(03-18-2016 11:14 AM)Potawan Wrote:  

(03-16-2016 09:45 AM)Matthew Cline Wrote:  Well, so far I haven't found much other ways of making money than selling bread and bows.

It's true, but just one of them is enough to break the game... Well, at least make bread is somewhat laborious, but with pine bows you only have to buy the wood at the store, and this is renewed over time.

Suggestions;
-Bows can be made only with perfect wood pines. (Too heavy? )
-In addition to rebalancing prices, increasing requirements in breadmaking :
2 Ripe Wheat = 1 Flour
2 Flour = 1 Dough

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well, real life scale wise is odd ...
1 good Wheat plant can actually make 2 dough ...
and a Dough can make several bread (if being rise with yeast) ...

tough in your scale mentioning, it will be too hard on early game if you choose HARD without reducing Food and Water requirement ...

unless you tried to plant wheat for 2 day and goes starving ...
(stay alive with drinking water to null HP damage)

[copycat]

im not sure if it's really game breaking, u cant sell more than trader have money and until they get new money. and later u run with 25k and more just from sells of the stuff u find. i dont make breads or bows for money anymore and did only bread and selling corn

so seeing it that way u have to work ealry to get some money to buy gear or skills and later money doesnt matter cuz of the treasures u can find.

[yariel]

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yep, Money gathering only for early ...
beside not much item can be buy from merchant ...
(they also have limited amount of money)

this Pine Bow trick can only be used if your Carpentry Skill reach Lv.2 ...
better find Carpentry Lv.2 Skill Book so you won't need to spend LP to level this skill ...

[Potawan]

If I started playing again at the beginning,
I would not wait Chapter Two to get carpentry 2...
How could I leave my house so long undecorated?

and if you intensively use bows, you must create your own.
They are very expensive to repair, and it constantly needs repairs.

But... again... with pine bows you don't need more these repairs and also you get rich selling them (I get!... even without Bread trick)

And yes, in the early levels, just when it is needed.
This really made the game much more easy for my archer,
mages not affected, I guess.